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Post by Chris Page on Sept 28, 2022 17:37:04 GMT -5
The relauch is behind us. Would love to get your feedback on the program.
Favorite Match?
Favorite Segment?
Overall expectations?
It felt good getting this one done and is only going to get better as we move forward and see the characters develop and stories get going.
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Legend Without A Home
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Post by Centurion on Sept 28, 2022 20:16:23 GMT -5
I lost. 0/10 worst show ever
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Post by "The Peoples GOAT" James Raven on Sept 28, 2022 22:09:36 GMT -5
That tracks.
I liked it, and that's a completely objective opinion from a mere casual observer.
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Post by Max f'n Daemon on Sept 29, 2022 1:16:30 GMT -5
I lost. 0/10 worst show ever Yeah well I won. How the hell do you think I feel?
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Post by Ragnarok on Sept 29, 2022 10:18:50 GMT -5
Honestly it was a great relaunch show. It makes you want more and desire it. We have talented writers RPERS and in general. It shows and that's what we want. There is never going to be an easy win and that speaks volumes. Win or lose be proud of yourself and realize sometimes your best is not enough and that's okay.
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Post by "Cholo" Giovanni Santana on Sept 29, 2022 11:42:31 GMT -5
Favorite Match? Fatal Four Way of course, but that's only because I was emotionality invested in it and had no idea who would win. Enjoyed Flynn/Vaughn as well.
Favorite Segment? James Raven teasing before and after TV title match. Doesn't count cuz he's staff? Fine... um.... Shay's intro segment, short and to the point.
Overall expectations? GREATNESS, ABSOLUTE GREATNESS.
Overall comments: Great show to relaunch, and we can only go up from here. Can't wait to be part of this journey for a long time.
Suggestions: (former fed-head here, sorry) more commentating would be great/welcomed. I know you have people who are helping write matches, so it's hard to add commentating to a match when you don't know the wrestlers, what they have going, etc. But would be good specially after the matches are over, kind of to summarize what just went down before moving on to the next. Would be good if there was more of a flow from match to match instead of what I've seen in other places and now here where it's like Match stop. Segment stop. Match stop. Segment... etc... there is no synergy or flow from one thing to the other. Okay I'll shut up now before I get kicked, this the most feedback I've given since TPW. Great job everyone involved!
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Post by Peter Vaughn on Sept 29, 2022 12:54:01 GMT -5
Favorite Match? Flynn/Vaughn was a great read. Minus my match, I'd give a nod to Centurion/Daemon or the Fatal Four Way.
Favorite Segment? I think J Mont had a good starting one for what's going to happen in WGWF.
Overall expectations? It met my expectations, if that's what is meant lol. A strong opening show to get people more involved in the fed. I like how the next show is made up of different individuals, showing that everyone's going to have to work to get their deserved place in WGWF.
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Post by TheNewBreed on Sept 30, 2022 10:23:10 GMT -5
Disclaimer: These are my opinions. I am not a judge. I am not admin. I am just an old-head who's been around here before. The things in this piece are all merely my opinion on the work presented and advice to help others improve what we do so we can ensure the longevity of our hobby by increasing the value of our work. If you don't agree, that's OK. You don't have to. We can talk about it. That's what this is for.
Yay... onto the feedback.
Opening Segment:
Chris Page and James Raven
Alright... so the bad part first.
I wanted to see the Arena. I know that there is a pic out there of it... and if they weren't going to use the pic, then at least a good solid description of it could have been utilized to paint the picture of the brand new arena. The venue was mentioned... but it wasn't treated like it's own character, and it should be. It is... so why not utilize it the way we can to make it more of a feature of the show?
Now... I may be IC biased a little bit as a major investor in the funding parts of the build, so you know... but it is a good point for everyone to think about the venue as a studio, or a home, or a set for the show. All parts of it can be fleshed out and used in your work, your segments, and the results to make the product better.
That said... the good part is really good.
I loved the tone that was set about the history of the WGWF and the future of the brand. In several RPs this cycle it was mentioned that the WGWF has a legacy... good or bad... it has one... and in this new era of E-Fedding... we are writing a brand new chapter of this brand, and we have huge shoes to fill.
I didn't find the intro too long to relaunch show, and it was well done and James was there, so that earned several more points from me... so.
On to the card then?
Match 1:
John 'the Beast' Cable versus Bam Miller
This was a pleasure to be a part of. Bam... I love you, and your character, and how much you enjoy it. I had a good time working with you, and look forward to the work we can do together in the future.
The RP you posted was a great trash talk piece, but there was little story to back up the ground work. I want to see the gym. I want to know about the machines and the ring, and the lighting, and the colors... I want to close my eyes and picture it.
The trash was on point... but the scene can make or break a great piece, so some of the content, at least in my opinion, should go towards painting the picture. If there is just a dialog piece, the features of the face, the way someone moves, the sounds they make and what they do in front of the camera is just as important and character building as the words... at least IMO.
The match was well done, and I loved the back and forth gritty exchanges we had. I was curious how the match would end since both use double underhooks for our finishers... and I wasn't disappointed. I would have liked to see more use of our move-sets, but I understand the match between us was going to be a slugfest from the get go and thus I was not disappointed to see us beat the hell out of each other for the duration.
All in all... great work here on all fronts.
SEGMENT: Sonya Benson and Johnny Hitmaker WGWF Introduction
OOC, this was brilliant. By far the segment of the night for me. I am also invested in this one as we had some twitter interactions about this prior, so biased a bit I guess, but I like the way you play your character. You are vile and conniving to a masterful level, and I respect that... It was well written, and really was a great start for the introduction of your character.
I think that Hitmaker is a great mouthpiece for Sonya, and the characters suit each other well. His bit may have been a little long, but what else do we expect from a windbag like him, right?
The raffle twist was not one I saw coming, and it totally blew my mind. IC, you made an enemy of John right out of the gate, even after he was trying to be nice and welcoming you to the WGWF. I look forward to where this angle goes, because I think it definitely has legs and could get some good traction if we play it right.
I expected the match gimmick... and expect you will use this in your angle when it suits you. It's a good bit of work, and I look forward to seeing which legends you make a mockery of in the future.
Match 2: Tag Team Showcase
Toddrick Tabor Ramsey and Austin Ramsey versus Sabian Wraith and Dean Harper
First of all... can we all just take a moment and appreciate how wholesome the Ramsey's are?
OK... seriously though y'all give me cavities. 0/10 dentists recommend you and I bet your biggest group of haters is headed by a coalition of dental surgeons.
I loved the way you used the same intro on both perspectives and then showed the audience what happened from either end when the door closed, and then they came back together at the end of each piece. It set a great timeline, and it was a great way to get the dialog out to your fans while keeping it inside the flow of the story of the lives of the Ramsey's. Good blend of trash talk and story that felt like it was really a thing a Star would do.
Wish there was something to compare here... but congrats on your win anyway. Woot.
The match was a solid tag match. It felt a little bit rushed from spot to spot, but a great showing for the Ramsey's and for the WGWF Tag Division.
SEGMENT: Buster Gloves WGWF Introduction
This was beautiful. I think I want to protect Buster at all costs, because Buster is too good for us. That is all.
Match 3: TV Title Division Showcase Fatal Four Way
Victoria Strader versus Lexi Gold versus Joseph “Ace” Buongiorno versus "Cholo" Giovanni Santana
Vee Strader – Very good piece. I did notice a couple of grammar/spelling errors, and I am a real nag for those (ask Page... he'll tell you I whine about his all the time). So... a note from my perspective on the work here: In the end part, you talked about how the family you are a part of and their actions and legacies is separate from you and how you are different, but the entire piece was about those people, and how you tie into it, not necessarily about you and what you are about. Personally, I would rather see the interactions between you and your partner, training montages, and more of your personal journey than see how you're related to other names in the industry. Again, well done on the work, but maybe focus more on your personal story if you want to separate this character from others and prove how she's different.
Joey B. - As a character introduction to the WGWF, even though I just said I wanted to see Strader separate herself from her family since she said she wanted to stand out... your character is oriented in the family being Italian and a family man, and I love how you treated the interaction with your family and the impact it had on you to become a wrestler in the first place. Great work IMO, and I look forward to seeing from your character in the future. I do think it it had good flow and pacing, good grammar and language usage that let me immerse myself in the story. It did intrigue me, and I do look forward to the future of the character development, so the piece hooked me at least... so good job on that. The blocks of blue text were rough... but that's just my take.
Lexi Gold – I love that your character is unique and does her own thing. I can't say I have ever seen anyone with a love of dolls and a love of reptiles in the same mind... and I am here for it. I also love that your dolls are a part of the character and have their own names and personalities... but I also feel like the new readers here would need more of an explanation, or a fleshed out interaction, or more of the story to know whats going on. There are a lot of details and plot hooks that could be added in to make the story more concise for the reader, and let them know where we are with Lexi. One of the things I have to remember is that my story for John is a really long tale, and not everyone knows all the details, so when I bring up things from my past, even if I have covered it in other work, I need to explain the story well enough for a new reader to keep up with the tale. Maybe keeping that in mind moving forward will help get your story across and make it easy for everyone to follow. Otherwise, the work was good, and a great way to lay some groundwork for your story going forward... one piece of advice from me would be to fill in the word count. Seeing your piece was quite a bit shorter than the word limit was a concern for me when it came down to winning/losing for you here, and I think it might have been a factor in the outcome. Again... I am not a judge, and have no input on that, but I am pretty sure that was a talking point in the conversation. The words could have been used to fill in those story gaps and flesh out the descriptions. Looking forward to working with you in the future tho, and loved the work.
Cholo – In a rare event... I have no advice. The piece was great. It was tied up nicely. You introduced your character well and gave some insight into what he is about and what he does and the people around him... all in all, this was a great intro piece. Well written, well paced, well done... good job. Congrats on your win and good luck going forward.
Now for the match...
The match was well paced, and everyone got to have their shine, so no worries there. I would have liked to see more intriguing use of move sets and some more development to the story of the match, but it flowed well and got to the end in a fashion that was believable.
SEGMENT: Joe Montouri WGWF Introduction
Well done piece. No complaints. Interested to see where you go from here and what you get up to. Need to see more about your character before I get invested in the outcome tho. I would work towards getting emotional responses, either fans loving you or fans hating you, and making a point to set yourself apart from the pack.
Match 4:
“The Mechanic” Peter Vaughn versus “King of the Midcarders” Mark Flynn
OK Seriously... this was a treat. I am not even breaking down RPs here, because both of them were amazing. The stories were interesting, descriptive, well done, and really moved forward a narrative about both characters. Both pieces were inventive and thought out well, and focused on how the individual characters headed into this match and what they were doing outside of the ring as real people doing real things in their lives and as slice of life portrayals I was amazed reading them.
If anyone wants to see what top tier work looks like, these are the examples.
The match was great. Pacing was good, and while it was a bit of a slug-fest, the move sets were used well and it was believable between these two and the history they have. You could tell they had been in the ring together before, and it makes the match better all around.
I am interested to see where you two go with the end of the match and what the fallout looks like on the next show.
SEGMENT: Shay WGWF Introduction
Short sweet and to the point. I liked the way it fit into the show like a backstage cam, and it was well done... that said... it was sooooo short. I want to know more and get more, but I guess that is the anticipation factor, huh? Looking forward to seeing more and getting to know about the character here and where you are headed in the future.
SEGMENT: Fred Debonair WGWF Introduction
Good introduction. I am intrigued to see how you are going to carve out your niche here and where you end up in the stack of talent at hand on the roster. I think your work is good and you know your character well, so I look forward to seeing how this goes in the future.
MAIN EVENT: WGWF Throwback
CENTURION versus MAX DEAMON
Max Deamon – I missed you. Just saying. Been a long time and good to see you back. Your story has always been a complex and developed tale, and I am glad to be seeing where you are with it now. You filled in just enough history in the interaction to flesh out the story so we can keep up, without going too far in the telling of old sauce so it stays interesting. I liked that. Especially with long drawn out stories you have to keep the tale concise for new readers and I think you did that well. I am a little concerned for your idea of healthy training... as knocking you out over and over and over again will not really work the way you think it will... lol and while I respect the method, I wonder if there wasn't a better way to get ready for the heavy hitter that is Centurion. The blocks of red text is a little rough for me, but my eyes are old so.... yeah... good work... congrats on the win. Glad to have you back with us in the WGWF.
Centurion – Good to see you around again old friend. Glad we get to go on this journey again, and glad to have you part of it. The work was very good this week. I loved the Camden tease and it really hit me with the nostalgia bug. I look forward to how that works out... really. The trash was on point and I loved the narrative you told with it. Great work.
The match was my favorite one of the night. While Vaughn/Flynn was a great read and flowed well, the story telling with this match won it for me. The use of character psychology around the ring and the depth of move-set covered made this a more interesting wrestling match than a slug-fest. I loved the interaction with Nathan and look forward to how this is going to play out in the future shows, and with the characters involved...
OVERALL:
I thought this was a great show and everyone did great work. I wold love to see the matches written with more depth of move-sets and more concern for the character portrayal involved, because honestly, I think that's the one thing we can offer over other companies on the internet. We actually have an opportunity to set this up in a way that even if the results are 100k megabombs they can be better for the characters than anywhere else and I think this is the thing we have over places. That also means the handlers here are going to have flesh out their ring psychology and hone in on what they want to see their characters do in the ring and out of it, and utilize our opportunity here to really make this show something spectacular.
It was a great Relaunch... don't get me wrong... it was.
But... we have a very large historical shoe to fill... and I for one want to see us make this place better than it ever has been.
Great show over all... and good luck on the next one everyone.
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